I’m not sure what it would take for me to leave Basecamp with work and realigning everyone’s access etc… I think to win over people in that space now you’re really going to have to pull out a killer application. Offer me something that no other project management tool is even close to giving.

My needs are small at the moment though. Thanks for commenting Greg, appreciate the balance.

Could I peek into the question about the lack of flexibility (to save my own investigation probably)? Where is it lacking? What could they offer that would improve that?

Just curious. Yep I’ll check out Wrike in a few weeks. Cheers.

- we did not sponsor WWD in any way. Their review of Projjex was spontaneous and was performed without any of our help. It looks like they simply liked what they saw

- the issue of data protection is a good one and one that we’ve addressed head-on in our choice of hosting vendor, database design, security, back-up and disaster-recovery, etc. We’re also now starting to address it in our blogs and marketing as we think we’ve done a better job than some of our competition - even, bless their hearts, 37S. Check out our latest blog entry for some additional discussion (http://projjexblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/just-how-important-is-ssl/).

- the issue of selling information is also a great topic, and one that is largely over-looked by many customers. Good that you raise it. Projjex absolutely does not and will not share/sell/give its customer data to anybody. Period.

Thanks again for mentioning Projjex and for the debate.

Alex Glassey, CEO, Projjex Software Corporation

Incidentally, that’s never a really good space to be in for a company. Thanks again for posting the link.

Do WWD do sponsored links? I’m not sure, I definately wouldn’t link to a sponsored link if I was aware. But yes I agree that’s a useful tutorial and goes a long way to building that trust.

I also have that barrier of discomfort from moving software now, too. Even a few small projects already running in Basecamp would require effort to move, notification to everyone involved etc… so any move to new project management is perhaps not on the cards unless they come up with some “must have” feature (for example it would be handy to have video conferencing in there )

Also, when it involves project management we have to decide whether we trust this company enough to risk our own business and integrity with their possession of our information. They could onsell information we store, or monitor our converstations for commercial purposes. What country’s privacy laws are applicable, for example.

I don’t really write reviews on nortypig - that’s more my other weblog’s domain - but I do like to share out links to see if something is good. Like, for example, if someone emails me and says they really liked Projjex or Wrike.

Thanks for commenting Ethan, valid points. I hope it wasn’t a sponsored article over on WWD, it would damage their credibility no end if that came to be the case. I get the impression they’re more about giving exposure to software alternatives rather than fully testing and vouching for them. To write the article on Internet Redux you would have to interact with the software for some time.

Try the other Zoho apps as well

Its what always makes me a bit worried about using public library books, too. Sometimes that’s the only place we can get away in the modern world.

That being said I’m not sure I’m evolved enough to provide one on a plate for a camera crew. Its a brilliant mechanism for showing school children how the digestive system works.

Its a hard question - the web’s ability to be every person’s easy publishing platform versus its need for quality authoring. And in between there are the wysiwyg graphic designers who just don’t want to know HTML but make a living at it anyway.

The key ultimately will have a lot to do with robust software solutions that allow every person to author AND produce high quality code. But for the current IE8 discussion the reality is that this hodge podge web of rubbish sites and accomodating browsers is probably here for a good time yet. At least until content management gets a lot more user robust lol.

Nice article Robby. Thanks for posting it.

More at: http://www.robbyslaughter.com/blog/?2008-03-21

I’ve moved this year to a 22 inch LCD and a 17 inch (my old monitor) CRT. My productivity and efficiency have dramatically improved. So much so that when I move to a single 17 inch CRT or the laptop here I feel stifled.

But you’re right. Its becoming a lot about online applications and increases in efficiency brought about by new ways of doing things.

Also, infrastructure may well be driven by the economics of demand.

But mostly, I think regardless of how much of a critical mass of users go into the mobile space a small percent is a lot of potential customers. If simply not providing for a small screen is going to lock your client’s customers out - on PDA for example - then its doing them a disservice. The paradigm of a desktop user as the norm is shifting so I don’t think its wise at all to develop just for desktop. I’d strongly suggest also that the web is global, your customers in many cases will be outside India. Therefore making sites which can evolve painlessly into this space is going to be more beneficial to you.

Even if that just means making sure your site works at 300px or less width, or doesn’t max out at full screen width on a 22 inch screen.

But you’re right about the bandwidth (perhaps in India) and the cost to consumers of mobile internet activity. Cameron Moll’s book Mobile Web Design has a good overview of the options available for mobile development.

http://mobilewebbook.com/

Cheers and thanks for the bit of fun.

Jim

I would be interested to hear your response of how using breaks turned out!

Interesting you mention StyleSheets being turned off, I think breaks and paragraphs would still look ok but lists would look funny with the bullets and other default styles being used!

Another point is that: breaks would even use less code than paragraphs!

I started off using p but then as time moved on I tended to use lists - it felt more comfortable in my head as a list of form elements than a number of small paragraphs… so you can see where I’m coming from. Neither is really correct.

On the latest job I’m working on at the moment I’ve decided to use breaks as Mike suggested - simply because without CSS I can still have the form look structured. And, to be honest, I’m thinking br is a small price to pay but I’ll see how it pans out before I commit. Its almost too simple.

Also, considering what some people do with extra clearing divs and other superfluous markup I don’t think 4 extra br elements on the contact page is going to break the semantic idea of quality markup.

I guess to each their own. I prefer p to ul for ‘plain ease’ of styling forms though. True. I guess one could just place them all into spans though…

Are you still going with paragraphs?

I personally find p easier to style than li which has the ul/ ol and li elements were p does not have any child elements…

btw im re-reading Mikes article on using breaks instead.

Developers should also be aware of the way in which assistive technology such as screenreaders interacts for forms, specifically the forms mode that many have, where only form-related elements will be read out - this means that paragraphs of text and headings may not be available to screenreader users.Mathew Pennell

Interesting discussion on it can be read in the WSG archives on the Styling Forms thread. Thierry Koblentz’s take on using the br element (Mike Cherim agrees) and Mike Cherim’s upcoming article on Screenreaders and form elements styling are worth looking into.

Personally I uses unordered lists, I wrap the label around the fieldname and not around the entire input… but there you go. Interesting how these things pan out.

Although I did use paragraphs before for the exact same reason as you’re discussing. I have to admit its easier.

The issue really is that forms can be such a bastard to get right that I think what’s lacking is a proper container. Neither list or paragraph make entire sense… and there’s the sad old everything is a list argument I suppose.

I’m interested because I’ve felt like a bit of a cheap whore for a while now from using unordered lists to do my dirty work.